Thee Talkers Podcast: Unscripted

The Break Down On Superman and Political Cover-ups

Joe and Thee Gooch Season 2 Episode 96

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Superman soars into theaters and straight into controversy—but is any of it justified? Joe and Gooch break down DC's latest superhero offering with the passion of lifelong fans, dismantling social media speculation that claimed the film would be "woke." Instead, they celebrate how James Gunn's vision honors Superman's legacy while bringing fresh energy to the character.

The hosts expertly analyze what makes this iteration unique, from impressive mid-air fight choreography to the authentic portrayal of Krypton through its native language. Comparing David Corenswet's more muscular take on Superman to Henry Cavill's previous interpretation, they remind listeners that different universes allow for varied approaches to iconic characters—just as Spider-Man has thrived across multiple interpretations.

The conversation takes a dramatic turn when they delve into the ongoing Jeffrey Epstein controversy. With the precision of investigative journalists, they question conflicting official statements about the existence of Epstein's alleged client list and examine troubling reports that prison footage has been manipulated. Their analysis raises compelling questions about why powerful figures across political lines might collaborate to keep certain information hidden from the public eye.

As they celebrate approaching their third podcast anniversary, Joe and Gooch thank their global audience for their continued support. Their unfiltered, conversational style creates an intimate listening experience that feels like joining friends for an honest discussion about pop culture and politics—where nothing is off-limits and critical thinking is always encouraged.

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Joe:

What's up, what's up everybody. What's up, what's up, what's up everybody. This is T hee Talkers Podcast, Unscripted. My name is Joe and we have Thee Gooch what's up, Gooch, what's happening, Gooch?

Thee Gooch:

What's happening there, Joseph? Yeah, yeah.

Joe:

No más, no más aquí. Having fun on a Sunday Relaxing, Joining the day, Sunday fun day. Today's weather is 73 degrees in California, Los Angeles, California, everybody. Not too hot, Real cool. Before I start the show, I just want to say thank you for all your viewers out there, all your listeners that are downloading our podcast. We really appreciate it. The Gucci and I Thank you Europe, Thank you South America, North America, Thank you Africa, All around the world. I guess I mean we're doing good. Thank you for all your listeners out there and also here to mention we're reaching our third year anniversary being on the podcast on July 27, 2025. Our third year. Imagine that, Gooch.

Thee Gooch:

Damn how time flies. Yeah, it does.

Joe:

There used to be four of us. I know right, the cowards left away. Huh, you know, you said it, I didn't.

Thee Gooch:

Now they're probably busy, occupied and all that so they've got things to do.

Joe:

I guess they got a life, I guess I guess we're losers.

Thee Gooch:

You know what else? What else is there for us to do on a Sunday? Fun day, right.

Joe:

Right, it's all boring. Do the podcast, do a podcast, you know.

Thee Gooch:

Podcast. I've always liked doing a podcast. It gives me something to do.

Joe:

Yeah, it's real very therapeutic, isn't it?

Thee Gooch:

Yeah, I bought a PlayStation 5, but one of my boys took it away from me. You took over it. Yeah, they fucking took it away from me. And you took over. Yeah, they fucking took it. I thought I had a play.

Joe:

Well, so now I got the podcast you thought it was yours, and now it's his right.

Thee Gooch:

I remember buying a bunch of games on that son of a bitch too. Jeez, the PS5? Yeah damn bought a few games nice but I bought a play, so I'll buy one here in a couple of weeks.

Joe:

Well, I have one. I don't even play it. I mean, I already passed the Mickey Epic Mickey.

Thee Gooch:

You want to sell it to me, I don't know no. I was going to send you 50 bucks right now. Well, give me a thousand for it, dude.

Joe:

A thousand, yeah, damn yeah, mmhmm, got to damn. So what did you?

Thee Gooch:

do yesterday, gooch? Oh, what did we do yesterday? Absolutely um nothing, nothing. This is Superman, superman, debut Superman weekend for sure.

Joe:

Oh, you saw it. Yeah, I saw, mine yesterday.

Thee Gooch:

I saw mine yesterday. I saw mine on Friday.

Joe:

You saw it? What did you think about the movie? My honest opinion Mm-hmm. Wait, wait. Before you let it out, you know I'm a Superman fan, right? Since I was five years old, right? So I'm going to be biased, so I'm just letting you know.

Thee Gooch:

And I was. I've always been a Spider-Man fan. I was ever since I was a kid. I was always Spider-Man, spider-man, spider-man, everything Spider-Man. But you know, if you want to talk about the creation of this Superman the latest one a lot of people were saying that it was going to be woke. Yeah, some democratic woke shit. It wasn't woke, it wasn't, it wasn't, it was not woke.

Joe:

You know, it's just that people speculating, just because they they saw the trailer.

Thee Gooch:

Yeah, yeah, and they're all saying oh that, what's the name of the director? James Gunn.

Joe:

James Gunn yeah.

Thee Gooch:

He was saying that he should have left out that Superman's a never grand because, considering what's going on right now, they're not lying. They're not lying that Superman is an illegal alien. Yeah. I'm here for the planet Krypton. I mean, they ain't lying, they're not lying, you know but that's not woke.

Joe:

It's been like that since, yeah, since 1938, yeah yeah, so I mean, they're not lying.

Thee Gooch:

let's be honest. Yeah, but there's a lot of people out there that you read on the comments, you know, on social media. A lot of people don't understand where and what this Superman is all about. It's a different universe of a Superman. Comparing it to Henry Cavill? Yeah, yeah, he's a darker Superman. Yeah, you know. And then you have what's his name? Brandon Roth. Yeah, brandon Roth.

Joe:

Yeah, Brandon Roth, man of Steel right.

Thee Gooch:

Superman Returns Totally different Supermans. And then you have Chris Reeves Reeves Totally different Supermans, different universe.

Thee Gooch:

Now my opinion on this movie. I liked it a lot. It was they did an outstanding job. The fight scenes when they're in the mid-flight and they're fighting. They did an outstanding job in that fight scenes when they're in the mid-flight and they're fighting. Yeah, they did an outstanding job in that my opinion, but also not being, you know, unbiased or whatever, but that movie reminded me a lot of Shazam, oh, okay. Yeah, the wittiness, the wittiness of it. Yeah, the wittiness, how witty you know this Superman was. Yeah, it reminded me a lot of that. There's nothing wrong with that.

Thee Gooch:

Nothing wrong with it? There's nothing.

Joe:

Yeah, I know I mean, I agree, but it was good, it was amazing. To be honest, I mean, like I'm a huge Superman fan, this is only for Superman fans, okay, there's people like yeah like Zack Snyder fans.

Joe:

You know there're gonna go watch it and you know they're gonna fucking videotape it and they're gonna say some stupid comments because they don't like it. You know they're all talking crap and it's like I said, it's only for Superman fans to enjoy it. Like me, I was all Superman sport out when I went to go watch it and I liked it and I enjoyed it and there was nothing, nothing. Well, the only thing that bothered me was that crypto is not Supergirl's dog.

Thee Gooch:

Okay, I don't know if you saw the end. Yeah, yeah, I was going to spoiler alert on you on that one dude, but you had to go.

Joe:

Yeah, so technically it's not Superman, it's not Supergirl's dog, it's Jor-EL's dog. Oh, okay. So the whole story of Krypto. I was hoping James Gunn would put the story of Krypto the way he arrives, because it's like, like us, the government, you know, they send monkeys to space for an experiment to see if there's any life in the other galaxies, right, well, that's what Jor-El did. Jor-el sent Krypto to figure out because, you know, krypton was about to explode, right, right. So he sends Krypton to just find other planets so where he could send his baby at. You know what I'm?

Thee Gooch:

saying Okay.

Joe:

So when Krypton exploded, it shifted the rocket. Well, it kind of stopped Krypto's rocket, you know. It stalled in space, so crypto took too long to arrive. So the baby Ka-El went to Earth on time, and so does Supergirl too. She drifted off too, because a condor exploded too, because a condor is a krypton, but I think it's below krypton, underneath somewhere around there, and it went to inner space. So I think Supergirl drifted off in a slow pace, you know Right, because the explosion, you know.

Thee Gooch:

And that's the thing that these people need to understand. Like I said, this is a whole different universe of Superman. Mm-hmm. You know, for example, they got you know Tom Holland's Spider-Man, they have Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man and then they have Andrew Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man, right, mm-hmm. Those are all three different Spider-Mans from a different universe, different.

Clip:

They're not all the same, yeah yeah, it's with this new Superman.

Thee Gooch:

They're not all the same supermans? Yeah exactly.

Joe:

I mean, I fucking I loved it, you know yeah, sorry I'm being biased, I thought it was great what I like. I mean spoil spoiler, um what I like about this. I always wanted this to happen really okay, because you know how. In the original superman um the Jor-El and Lara, the parents, they speak English right and in this movie the parents speak.

Thee Gooch:

Kryptonian, and that's what I loved about it. That was pretty crazy, yeah, yeah, so that's what I liked about the movie. That's true, it was awesome.

Joe:

And the flight scenes. I like the flight scenes.

Thee Gooch:

Yeah, the way they fight in midair and shit. Yeah, yeah, he did good, you know, doing that aspect of the movies, the fight scenes, midair, the flights and shit and like the whole twist. Here's a spoiler. You know what's the name of that guy? It's actually Superman's clone. Ultraman it's actually Superman's clone.

Joe:

Ultraman Ultra man , yeah, Ultraman, yeah. And you know, everybody thought it was going to be Henry Calvill.

Clip:

Oh really, Ultraman, Really.

Joe:

I thought so too, because I was believing. This is one thing. You don't believe the social media, dude, because you're here. Oh, it's going to be fucking Henry Calvill, but no, it turned out to be.

Thee Gooch:

You know him, just clone yeah, and let's be honest, I mean, call me gay, it's okay. I mean, we all have a little gay in us. It's so gooey. As long as you say no homo, you won't get in trouble, right? Henry Cavill is much him more as Superman. He's a lot more sexier, I'll give him that. You know. Like this newer Superman, I mean he has more muscles than Henry Cavill, for sure you know he's more bulkier. Huh, yeah, he's more bulkier, it's just his suit was a lot looser, like the original Superman.

Joe:

I just think that David Corse with the new Superman, it's just that he was taller than Henry. This new Superman is 6'4" and Henry Cavill is 6'1". I think that's why he looks more buckier than Henry Cavill.

Thee Gooch:

I see where people are getting upset because it's Henry. He's not a Superman-ish, but like I said, dude, I'm going to stick to that. It's a different universe.

Joe:

Yes, you're right, 'm going to stick to that. It's a different universe. Yes, you're right, and you're right on that. But I totally agree and I love this movie and I was all. You know what I was about to. To be honest, no homo, I was about to fucking tear up dude. You could be homo. You could be homo. I was about to tear up dude, but Crypto saved the day, you know what I'm saying you know when.

Joe:

Crypto just comes out. When Superman was just yelling at Lex Luthor yeah, when Krypto just comes out, I was about to tear up and he fucking, he got Lex Luthor Go fuck. He stopped my tears right there. You know what I'm saying. It was a good movie, dude.

Thee Gooch:

I like it, I enjoy. I kind of want to watch it again. Yeah, me too. Did you go by?

Joe:

yourself. Yeah, I went by myself. Fuck whatever the sexy pants. How do you name him? How do you?

Thee Gooch:

mean he went to work, he went to work well, good, I didn't want him to try anything funny with you oh shit, but I I mean all you viewers out there.

Joe:

The movie's pretty good. It's not woke or anything like that. Don't listen to the comments in the in the Facebook, social media and all that shit. They just don't know anything about Superman. If you go to read his mythology, there's a book out there. You can go to any comic book store. There's a Superman mythology book. Go buy it and read it. Don't speculate on the trailer, everything what they said in the fucking comments. It was all wrong, dude the speculations for this movie were all fucking wrong.

Thee Gooch:

You have to go see it for yourself to make up your mind. I don't like listening to movie critics. You know movie critics. Like you know, you got your fucking tomato, whatever the fuck that is. I don't like listening to none of that. I want to go see the movie for myself.

Joe:

But even if it okay, like Superman went to, I think it was an 80% Rotten Tomatoes score and the audience, general audience, was an 86 too. It's the same as 1978 Christopher Reeve one right, yeah. But even if it was a lower score, they'll still make fun of it. They still talk shit. They're never happy. You know what I'm saying.

Thee Gooch:

Yeah, you got to watch it, chris.

Joe:

Yeah, you guys got to watch it. Don't listen to these troll bots, snyder fans. They're just hurt because you know it's making. You know what this movie made money on that on the first day, on Thursday I think, with the highest gross making money.

Thee Gooch:

Yeah, box office, I think worldwide, including domestic, it made $217 million yeah.

Joe:

Since Thursday Well, yeah. One day, friday, and that was like. I think that was the first time you know.

Thee Gooch:

That's good. Hey, there's a comment on the thing I can't respond to because I don't want to, I don't think I can, but it's from Lemon Soda Fizzle, the talkers, what's the topic? It looks like it's kick. I don't have kick either.

Joe:

Oh, I got kick. I forgot about that. It's on Twitch, twitch and kick. Welcome to, and welcome to, our new destination.

Clip:

And the topic could be, anything.

Joe:

Right now it's Superman. Right now it's Superman. Sometimes we get all over the place and all that stuff.

Thee Gooch:

So our topic is right now.

Joe:

Superman. Huh, is that our cousin Sexy?

Thee Gooch:

pants Might be our cousin Sexy pants sister.

Clip:

Sister.

Joe:

Yeah, hi, lemon Soda.

Thee Gooch:

Because she's Lemon something on Instagram, I believe On Instagram, yeah.

Joe:

But yeah, dude. So I totally love the movie and it was really good. I liked it. He did a good Superman. I think he did a great Superman, and Mr Terrific was wonderful too. He was great.

Thee Gooch:

He was fucking badass. He was great. He was fucking badass, he was badass yeah, he did good, he was badass yeah. They're talking about doing a TV series with him.

Joe:

Yeah, yeah, so, yeah. So all you guys out there, all you listeners, all you viewers out there, do not listen to social media. It's all fake news. I mean like the Gooch, and I just said that it's. I think you just go watch it and judge it for yourselves. And I like the part that there's some monkeys on the computers. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So James Gunn is sick. He's saying that to the other people that are bashing his, his movie.

Thee Gooch:

The one I was really surprised with is when they Lex Luthor was playing Russian roulette oh yeah, and he actually killed him. I was fucking surprised, dude. I wasn't expecting that Spoiler alert. I wasn't expecting that shit at all, yeah, Another spoiler alert.

Joe:

I like the part. Oh shit, I forget it off. Oh man, I fucking bring it for you. Yeah, that was a great one. That was a good one.

Thee Gooch:

Yeah, that was crazy dude, I wasn't expecting that shit at all oh okay, bad words.

Joe:

They say a lot of bad words on this movie. They say shit, asshole shit. They keep saying shit. So the new Superman, he wants to make it radio R now oh really yeah.

Thee Gooch:

And this Superman, this Superman's more witty. He says what the hey dude, you know shit like that. That's how a witty Superman is yeah, yeah, it's just, I don't know. People just got out of hand with the just watching the movie they're just angry.

Joe:

They're just angry because it's not Caldwell or Zack Snyder and all that stuff, and they're all just trolls. Just the trolls, and just to make us mad. But you know, but they can't take it. When they take their own medicine, they don't like it yeah, I understand, I'll still stand by that.

Joe:

Oh, go ahead if you go in every comic book, if you read Superman's comic books or you go to a comic store, you're gonna see silly Superman stories in a comic. You could see the one that Muhammad Ali beat Superman. You could see Alfred beat Superman because he took a magic pill, a super pill. How silly is that.

Thee Gooch:

Spider-Man versus Superman.

Joe:

Yeah, Spider-Man versus Superman.

Thee Gooch:

Yeah, spider-man beats up Superman for the sake of with the help of kryptonite. That's the only way he can defeat Superman.

Joe:

Yeah, I mean, those comics were silly and they were woke too. Supposedly they were woke. I don't know what woke means now these days but Superman's been like this since centuries. He's been a patriot. You know, he's been a patriot since 1941, 1940, since World War II. They stopped it in 1956 because he was getting violent. Because, technically, Superman back in the days he was violent, did you know? In a comic book the original comic book he used to grab the villains on a crotch and then take them to the sky and just drop them to the sky.

Thee Gooch:

I didn't know that, giving a whole different meaning to grab the bitch by the pussy. Huh, yeah, yeah.

Joe:

And then when you read that book, comic book, they're going to say he's woke. So what's the difference? It's just that these new generations, their minds, are just brainwashed dude. That's what I'm thinking. A bunch of pussy Because if they read that comic book now, they're going to go fuck man, what kind of shit is that? It's a child's movie. Go watch it. Go watch it for yourself, You'll see whether it's a child's movie or not. It's basically both the same thing. It Both for kids and adults.

Thee Gooch:

It's definitely a movie you can watch again, dude. Yeah, because right off the bat, right off the fucking bat. Once the movie starts, it was just action the whole fucking time. Superman, the whole fucking time.

Joe:

Yeah.

Thee Gooch:

And he lost his defeat Spoiler alert.

Joe:

He lost his defeat.

Thee Gooch:

Yeah, first time, yeah, and what I really enjoyed about this movie, because we all know about Superman, right, we all know he came from Planet Krypton. In all the movies they show the same shit. This one didn't. This one cut to the fucking chase. Yeah, you know, that's what I liked about it. It was just action the whole fucking time.

Joe:

I enjoyed it. I want to watch it again. Yeah, I'm going to. I'll probably go next week with sexy pants, but he has to pick a date. What date he has to go?

Thee Gooch:

Well, if he does, I'm going to pick his clothes because I don't want him to look all sexy and shit. Were you able to pick up any of the souvenirs, like when you buy popcorn and shit?

Joe:

Well, I didn't buy the popcorn box, the tin one the bucket I wanted that one this one right here 40 bucks this one right here, you see it. Yeah, I was gonna buy this one. I go fuck it's. 74 bucks, dude, I go 70 my fuck, 74 bucks for this one dude. I wanted it, but it was tempting dude, I was gonna buy it. No, that's too much bro. Yeah, it is dude, so I didn't, I skipped it.

Thee Gooch:

I wanted that cup.

Joe:

Yeah, this one right here. Yeah, I wanted that one, I bought this one. But I bought the one with the keychain right here. This is the keychain. But I asked the AMC employee hey, do you think you guys are going to have this by tomorrow? All these, because I want to buy me the next one tomorrow. And shit, they said, yeah, we have a lot of them. Oh, so I believe them. And shit, I didn't even listen to common sense. They go oh man, they're going to sell out. You know they're going to sell out. And I went yesterday. I went to go see the movie. They're all gone. No shit, I wanted to buy the crypto one.

Thee Gooch:

You didn't buy one then?

Joe:

Yeah, I bought one. It's right here. Oh okay, I bought the one with the keychain. That's the one I wanted.

Thee Gooch:

That's the one I want, but my movie theater didn't have that shit. They didn't have none of it. Dude, that's crazy, dude. I was like what the fuck? What kind of movie theater is this? Yeah, that sucks I wanted that one. Yeah, I wanted that one.

Joe:

Yeah, I wanted to buy the crypto, but they're all gone.

Joe:

I was going to buy me a pillow.

Joe:

No, looks too big A pillow.

Thee Gooch:

Yeah, a pillow.

Joe:

It has the.

Thee Gooch:

S on it. It had an S on it.

Joe:

I knew you were going to say that, yeah.

Thee Gooch:

I wanted that cup dude Like for real. Like I was like yeah, I wanted that cup dude Like for real. Like I was like looking forward to that. Yeah, I thought they were going to sell at least the fucking cups. You know, I didn't care about the, you know the popcorn things, but at least the fucking cups.

Joe:

Yeah, the cup was nice, dude. That's like, oh fuck, I had to get it. I was like, fucking, coming out of work, I go should EMC after work and bought it.

Thee Gooch:

And since when did they start serving alcohol in that movie theater, dude? Since the last two years, I think. Yeah, I was tripping dude, I didn't know that shit. Imagine getting all fucked up watching a movie, dude. I think there's a limit.

Joe:

you gotta buy beer, though. Oh really, yeah, I think you gotta buy. I think maybe like four times a beer.

Joe:

I only bought two.

Joe:

Oh beer, I only bought two. Oh shit, yeah, I mean, it's in East LA, where is it?

Thee Gooch:

Montebello, I mean. So I think I'm pretty sure when Toys R Us used to be.

Joe:

Yes, yes, I'm pretty sure it was kind of like you know little limits, you gotta buy beer because you cannot drink.

Thee Gooch:

I'll sneak in a bottle Jeez.

Joe:

Yeah, dude, Well that thing, it cost me like $25.

Thee Gooch:

For one beer.

Joe:

No for that tumbler. The beer was like $11.

Thee Gooch:

That's not bad, oh my God.

Joe:

Well, it's expensive, but you know.

Clip:

But, yeah dude, I enjoyed the fucking movie.

Thee Gooch:

Yeah, that's good, though. That's good, though. That was good. It was a good movie, dude. That was good, that was a good movie dude?

Joe:

Yeah, guys, we recommend you to watch that movie. It's pretty good, dude. It's not like I mean. Look at, I'm going to be honest with you. I love anything that's with Superman. Okay, I don't care. I even think Superman 4 is good okay.

Joe:

Even though Christopher Reeve disagreed on it. I even watched Superman 4. I even watched Brandon Roth's Superman Returns. I watch everything that's Superman and this movie is good. And I watch man of Steel and BVS. I mean I like all of them. But there's people that are naysayers. They're just focusing on one universe.

Thee Gooch:

Yeah, they're focused on one universe.

Joe:

And just because they saw a movie, they think they know how to read a real comic book already. They think they know oh, it's not the way it goes.

Thee Gooch:

You know, you gotta read the mythology first, and you know, yeah you gotta dig deep, don't just it's cause people are stuck in the box, dude like they. Just they just want one thing, that's it fuck dude, it's like my. My favorite Spider-Man of all time in the movies comparative is Andrew Garfield, I think he did. Oh yeah, you were talking about that, I think he did. Peter Parker, all of that shit was like on point dude for me.

Joe:

Can you explain why?

Thee Gooch:

Because he was a teenager. You know they made him more, not like Tobey Maguire, of course, he was in school, right, but they made Andrew Garfield more of a teenager. His attitude, his sarcasm. You know just the way he acted when he was wearing the suit. You know, just like Spider-Man, the way Spider-Man's supposed to be Sarcastic and shit. You know.

Joe:

Yeah, and you said like he uses a skateboard too, right, yeah, his skateboards.

Thee Gooch:

Yeah yeah, he was more accurate for me as Spider-Man Not to put Tom Holland or Tobey Maguire down or anything, but they were good Spider-Mans too. But to me more accurately it was Andrew Garfield. That's good.

Joe:

And because he has the cartridges on.

Thee Gooch:

Yeah, yeah, his cartridges. He has to make his own webs. Yeah, that's fucking crazy.

Joe:

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, the amazing Spider-Man. I'm just waiting for them to make Marvel versus DC, dude, that's what I'm waiting for I would love to see Spider-Man versus Superman like that comic book.

Thee Gooch:

I think that comic book came out in 1976, I think, or 77. Yeah, but yeah, I would love to see that. That'd be badass. Of course, we all know Superman will destroy Spider-Man, you know yeah but with the help of Kryptonite. Not so fast.

Joe:

Supes, supes alright Gooch, enough of the Superman. Before anything else, go watch it. Guys. Don't listen to what they say in social media. It's all bogus, false, so it's not woke or anything like that. Trust me on that or trust us.

Thee Gooch:

I mean All right, gooch, there you go, hmm, Hmm. All right, I always want to make myself perfectly clear, like I have in the past podcast. All right, I do. I do support Donald Trump as a commander in chief, you know. But I'm not going to go and wear a fucking MAGA hat and start, you know, doing stupid shit like that, right.

Joe:

Yeah, yeah.

Thee Gooch:

I support him because he's not a politician, he's a businessman.

Joe:

Yes.

Thee Gooch:

But here lately he's disappointed a lot of people, dude Again A lot of people Again, again, again, Even his supporters. Oh shit, With the whole Jeffrey Epstein shit going on. You know, Uh-huh, you know about. There's no evidence of a fucking client book.

Joe:

Mm-hmm.

Thee Gooch:

No, and the whole fucking time, you know he well go ahead.

Joe:

Is it true, though? What do you think?

Thee Gooch:

No, if that was true, why is that chick locked up for 20 years? Okay, elaine Maxwell. Why is she locked up for 20 years? Because of that client book, because they sex traffic, because they had minors, you know. So why is this? And why is Pam Bondi fucking telling people that no, there is no client book, there's no evidence of a client book, and shit Like. What the fuck is that all about? Why she's just mentioning it yeah, that was last week, jeez, that there's no client book. And a lot of people are thinking well, because Donald trump's on the client book and blah, blah, blah, uh-huh which is contradicted.

Thee Gooch:

She contradicted right, right yeah and, and which is true, donald trump is on the flight lugs. I think he's on the flight logs for um and the flight logs are out there. You can look at them.

Joe:

Um.

Thee Gooch:

I think he was on the flight logs 14 times, 14 times. But he, he, he never went to the island allegedly. But this now coming out that there's no fucking client book and shit you know client list is kind of raising eyebrows Everybody. Well, how come they don't want? All of a sudden there's no fucking client list, how does? That make sense and people are speculating that well, donald Trump's on the list.

Joe:

What do you think?

Clip:

You think he is no, no.

Joe:

No, because if that was true, they said that the opponents would have got him off the. The election ballot right.

Thee Gooch:

Yeah, that's another thing too. You see, if the Democrats knew because you know they hate him, they hate his fucking guts if it was true that Donald Trump was on the fucking log on the island, let's go that far the Democrats would, would definitely want that list out. They would demand it. Why don't they demand it now is because their bosses and their bosses bosses are on that fucking list too. So they don't want to. They don't want to expose these dirty politicians from both sides democrat, democrat and Republicans. Bill Gates is another motherfucker that was on the island. Obama was on the island. Clinton was on the island.

Thee Gooch:

We all know that. We all know that we just want to see who else was on the island.

Joe:

Even Elizabeth Queen was probably on it too, huh.

Thee Gooch:

Yeah, and I think, because it involves children, they want to see people go to jail, and if that means Donald Trump, then so fucking be it. Yeah, you know, but there's uh high power attorneys that were hired to defend Jeffrey Epstein, and even they said, too, that Donald trump was never on the island. He want nothing to do with uh Jeffrey Epstein. But I don't know man, it's just. Nowadays, mean now, it's like ever since they said, yeah, it's just. I don't know man, it's just. I'm kind of mixed about it. It's kind of disappointing. Yeah, you know that they did that. They came out with this that there was no. There was no black book, I guess, or list or whatever, with all these politicians, celebrities and whoever and whatnot. I don't know, we'll see what happens.

Thee Gooch:

So my question is that is he in it or not?

Joe:

Who's that? Trump yeah.

Thee Gooch:

I don't know, man, it's like I'm starting to think, I'm like leaning towards.

Joe:

Maybe he was Like yeah, he is you know, I'm thinking that he just probably didn't know it was going to be like that. He just went to the fucking party. You know, gay, what's going on?

Thee Gooch:

Oh shit, I didn't think it was going to be like this, you know, maybe the pictures, you guys, the pictures that are on the Internet with Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump. Some are Photoshop, that's already been proven, and the ones that are actually with Jeffrey Epstein. Those were in Mar-a-Lago, in Donald Trump's house or clubhouse or nightclub or whatever in Florida, and then, after everything was coming out with Jeffrey Epstein, he wanted nothing to do with him.

Thee Gooch:

So the story goes, but as far as Probably- when you found out about that, right, yeah, yeah, so you want to get, but as far as Probably when he found out, about that, right?

Joe:

Yeah, yeah, so we'll see. You want to get involved and shit, maybe you can fuck that.

Thee Gooch:

But, like I said, it involves children. I don't give a shit who's on it. They need to be held accountable.

Joe:

Yeah.

Thee Gooch:

That's what everybody do, including Trump. Yeah, if he was on that island.

Joe:

But you think they have a lot of proof on him on that island. But you think they have a lot of proof on him If he was.

Thee Gooch:

They're definitely hiding something. Yeah, because how are you going to sentence Ghislaine Maxwell to 20 years because of this client book? Uh-huh, you know proof that there is a client. But how are you going to sentence if that's the case, if there's no blacklist? A black book list, a black?

Clip:

book, then set her free.

Thee Gooch:

Let her go.

Clip:

Yeah.

Thee Gooch:

But it was already proven in court that that's why she's in prison for 20 years, Jeez. And then last week, Pam Bondi came out and said hey, there's no evidence of a list of people, which is bullshit.

Joe:

Because the first time she said it was right.

Thee Gooch:

Yeah, when she first was appointed attorney general, yeah, dude, she, she was like they need to be reviewed and there's tons and tons of video that they need to go through and and obviously they're not gonna they're not gonna fucking release the, the sex tapes of these alleged um, you know, children being sexually, you know, assaulted you know. Of course they're not gonna let they, they're not going to show that shit. I want to see people and everybody wants to see people go to jail. We want to see motherfuckers go to jail.

Joe:

They want to see the list right.

Thee Gooch:

Yeah, they want that list, they want people to be held accountable, and that's the main issue right now. Because the whole thing, the whole thing, donald Trump, the whole fucking campaign. This is another thing that pissed me off, because the whole fucking campaign he was talking about Jeffrey Epstein that he was going to expose who was on that fucking island. Yeah, the entire time he was campaigning, and now this shit comes out last week. A lot of people are fucking mad, dude, you sent me a clip, right. Yeah, I sent you a couple.

Joe:

Okay, so I'm just going to go out high goals. I didn't.

Clip:

Okay, so I'm just going to go ahead and go. I titled it, let me see. Let me just fix this. You said last week that you have well over over 250 actually, so we have to make sure that their identity is protected and their personal information. But other than that, I think tomorrow you know the personal information of victims. Other than that, I think tomorrow, jesse, breaking news, right now you're going to see some Epstein information being released by my office.

Clip:

What kind? Are we going to see who was on the flights? Are we going to see any evidence from what he recorded, because he had all of his homes wired with recording devices?

Clip:

What you're going to see tomorrow is a lot of flight logs, a lot of names, a lot of information, but it's pretty sick what that man did.

Clip:

Okay, along with his co-defendant. Absolutely, and he had help, that's for sure.

Thee Gooch:

And that was in the beginning of her term. That's in the beginning, right, that's the beginning, right? Yeah, that was what six months ago, six months, right, so? And then last week they come out with this bullshit that there was no evidence, like that's crazy. Who are they fucking fooling? Yeah, right, okay, go go go, go go.

Thee Gooch:

I don't. I don't think Trump's gonna fucking um lose supporters, right? I don't think Trump's going to fucking lose supporters, right? I don't think he's going to lose supporters and shit, but he's going along with it. I think he will lose something but, I think you know. It's just I don't know. I don't know how to explain it. Dude, it's fucking crazy.

Joe:

So it's maybe what like a 50-50?. He might be in it or not, Is that? Why, they're like, uh, hesitating to let this um list out.

Thee Gooch:

Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

Joe:

But the thing is I don't understand is that if that was true, he would have lost the election. The, the, the, the Republican would allow this on the media right yeah, and that's the thing too, if, if he was on it because I know for a fact, barack obama and, once you wake up, joe biden and many, and bill clinton.

Thee Gooch:

I know all those fuckers know who's on that list. And here's the thing that we need to look at too. If donald trump was on that island, they would have kept him from being president because they hate his fucking guts. They would have exposed them being on that island. That's the shit that I'm tripping. That's why I'm like I'm on the fence, whether he was on it or not, you know, it's just I don't know. It's just fucking crazy.

Joe:

I mean, it's almost like it's kind of like common sense. If he was on it, they would have like put it in publicity already. They would have put it in publicity already. They would have put it on social media. You know, donald Trump was in the Epstein list just to prevent him to be president, you know, and then Kamala would have probably won, you know.

Thee Gooch:

Yeah, and, that being said, if he was on it, but they would have to expose themselves being on the island too. Yeah, like Obama Clinton, especially Clinton Clinton was definitely on that fucking island dude. He was fucking around with teenage girls and what's that? What's that Prince who?

Clip:

Some prince in England.

Thee Gooch:

No, not Charles Albert. No, not Albert Prince Henry, I think so. No, yes, I think so. I think his brother.

Joe:

Princess Harry, or some shit Harry, some shit yeah.

Thee Gooch:

Princess. Princess is up there.

Joe:

But it's like this If you go down, you're going down with me. Is that the whole?

Thee Gooch:

situation is that's exactly what it is.

Joe:

That's exactly what it is so if they expose the amstein list to donald trump. He's probably saying if you, I'm gonna, if you're gonna put me down, you guys are all going down with me.

Thee Gooch:

He's probably saying that shit in the office, yeah, you know people are gonna have to go to jail, prison, right, and that's what the american people want. They want to see these motherfuckers go to prison, because you know, you hear this has been going on for years, dude. And all this talk, talk, talk, talk, talk and nobody, nothing's being done yeah it's like if we, the people, should stand up and fire every single one of these governors, mayors, councilmen and presidents. Fire everybody and let's start fresh.

Joe:

Yeah, true, get the old out and end up with the new.

Thee Gooch:

Yeah, let me be president. Imagine me being president. Jeez, how many skeletons in my closet they'll find.

Joe:

No shit, huh. Well, here's another clip Gooch about the Epstein.

Clip:

That Jeffrey Epstein story is a big deal. Please do not let that story go. Keep your eye on this, Catherine Rumler. We need to keep the heat on this case. Folks, there are a lot of people who are knee deep in the Washington swamp, who are not telling you the truth about serious allegations out there that Epstein may have had video and audio of people out there doing things they shouldn't have been doing, and you should be asking yourself the question how is it that all these people the CIA director, the Obama fixer, bill Clinton all intersected paths with Jeffrey Epstein? Jeffrey Epstein isn't with us anymore and nobody seems to want to talk about it Outside of a few entrepreneurial media outlets saying, hey, this is a big deal.

Thee Gooch:

So this guy Don I can't say his fucking last name, for the love of God, don being a being, a Beniozzo. So well, anyways, he's the, the deputy director of the FBI, right? And then there's Kash Patel, which would be his boss. Kash Patel is the boss of Don, right? Yeah, they're gonna fucking step down if Pam Bondi doesn't fucking resign.

Joe:

Also, they want her to resign.

Thee Gooch:

Yeah, they want her to resign, rightfully. So. Let's you know how come? Because they're thinking that she's fucking lying about the Epstein list. They want that Epstein list out. They want people to be held accountable, so they're asking for her to resign. If not, Kash want people to be held accountable, so they're asking for her to resign. If not cash Patel and this guy don I can't see his last name they want, if not, they're gonna step down. They don't want to, but they're gonna step down.

Thee Gooch:

But it's just. You know, and we can say that Donald Trump is playing chess, not checkers. Everybody else is playing checkers, right. We can sit there and say that Donald Trump is playing chess, not checkers. Everybody else is playing checkers, right. And we can sit there and say that all we want. But we just have to wait and see what unfolds, because he's not a stupid man, by no means. And everybody wants to fight him on shit, and he keeps winning the Supreme Court verdicts and you know that's been going on since the time he became president. He has lawyers that are fucking out of this world, dude. They'll tell him what's right and what's wrong, and he's going to go with right all the time. And if he's wrong, then his lawyers are wrong. All right, he takes a loss, but he hasn't really lost yet, dude. Not yet. No.

Joe:

Here's another one. This is a thing with Pam Bondi.

Clip:

Sure, are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? This guy's been talked about for years. You're asking we have Texas, we have this, we have all of the things, and are people still talking about this guy, this creep?

Clip:

During a White House cabinet meeting, a reporter asked Attorney General Pam Bondi about what has unofficially been referred to as the missing minute in the released 11-hour video of footage outside Jeffrey Epstein's cell. The timestamp on the footage skips one minute from 11.59 pm directly to 12 am.

Clip:

The minute missing from the video. We released the video showing definitively. The video was not conclusive, but the evidence prior to it was showing he committed suicide and what was on that? There was a minute that was off the counter and what we learned from Bureau of Prisons was every year, every night, they redo that video. It's old, from like 1999. So every night the video is reset and every night should have the same minute missing. So we're looking for that video to release that as well, showing that a minute is missing every night and that's it on.

Thee Gooch:

Epstein. Jeffrey Epstein allegedly committed suicide, right, and there's a minute missing of that entire 12-hour release of a video. But then you have these geeks, right, these nerds, rightfully so. They're fucking good.

Thee Gooch:

Well, one of them took the video they released and they put it through a software and, according to them, the Adobe software that they used, that video that was released has been doctored or Photoshopped one way or another. I think one of them said that I forgot to send you that fucking video. One of them said that it was doctored, that video, the 12 hour video that they released, that it was doctored for like four times. And they can yeah, they can tell that somebody trimmed it, somebody edited, highlighted it, they did all kinds of shit to that video before they released it. So I don't know if it was this administration or the past four, uh, four years administration under joe biden, because joe biden had all that and I don't want to point fingers okay, but the administration or the past four years administration under Joe Biden, because Joe Biden had all that and I don't want to point fingers okay, but the Joe Biden administration under his ruling? They could have done it. Trump's administration could have done it.

Thee Gooch:

Who knows? At this point. They're playing the citizens like we're fucking fools and we just want to see people go to jail. That's just the bottom line, so we'll see what happens. Jeez, it's a big mess. Huh, yeah, it's a fucking mess. Oh, and the fucking yeah they're liberals are having. I want, I want, I want the Democrats to demand the case to be released, the files to be released. I want them to do it because both parties, democrat and Republicans are at fault with this whole Jeffrey Epstein shit.

Thee Gooch:

They all were a part of it.

Thee Gooch:

Both parties, yeah, yeah.

Thee Gooch:

And who's to?

Thee Gooch:

say Trump was involved, who knows? But we want to find out.

Joe:

So someone is fucking worried for that shit to come out, right?

Thee Gooch:

Yeah, they call them the elites. But one thing that pissed me off when I heard the last video you played about Donald Trump. Are we still talking about this creep? Yeah, no, he's the one that was talking about it in his campaign. When he was campaigning, he did all these promises about releasing the files, right? Blah, blah, blah. That was his whole premise of his campaign.

Joe:

Right, right you know, so no. Now it's bugging him.

Thee Gooch:

Yeah, now it's bugging. So, no, we're not just talking about Epstein, you've been talking about it, so we're following up when the fuck are the files Right?

Joe:

yeah, that's true. Okay, here's another clip, Gooch. This is from the Paranormal Files. You said last week that you have the Epstein files on your Wrong one, guys, oops.

Clip:

Epstein's prison video was edited and a new investigation by Wired. com proves that. Let's take a look at what they found. So, as you know by now, pam Bondi and the US Justice Department recently claimed that Jeffrey Epstein trafficked nobody, and they even released a 10 plus hour long clip showing what they claimed was the night that Epstein unlived himself, proving, they said, that no one was in the cell with him. However, this new reporting from Wired. com claims that the video was likely modified using Premiere Pro. Here's the actual article if you want to look this up. So, essentially, these guys downloaded the file from the US government website, ran it through analysis software, consulted with forensic investigators and saw that the raw file showed clear signs of having been processed using an Adobe product like Premiere. They even showed that the video itself was saved at least four times on May 23, 2025, which is something that you frequently do when you edit a video and that it was saved by an account named MJCole1. And we have no idea who MJCole is or could be. So they were actually able to prove that, inside of that clip that the US government claimed was a raw clip, there were actually two different videos that had been spliced together at some point. Here are the names of the different video files. Someone they interviewed for the article said if a lawyer brought me this file and asked if it was suitable for court, I'd say no. Also, the aspect ratio shifts noticeably at multiple points, and this expert claimed that was bizarre and said why am I suddenly seeing a different aspect ratio? That's unexplained. So the government claimed this was a raw, unedited video, but now we have proof that it was edited. So what did they cut out? Well, interestingly enough, as we know, pam Bondi tried to get in front of the cameras ahead of this thing and she stated that oh, this was just something that security camera systems do. There are minutes of footage missing all the time. The systems reset. But after she said that, a number of people got online and claimed that they work with these systems and that that just isn't something that happens, she was lying.

Clip:

In the article, a government official from Hawaii was quoted as saying I'm probably among the least conspiracy-minded people you would ever meet. It's getting pretty impossible to. However, I don't think we'll ever get real answers about what happened here, because the government knows that it was in on this whole thing. They know that this whole thing would implicate both parties, and so all the powerful people that were involved with Epstein are conspiring together to prevent the public from ever really finding out what happened here. That's just my two cents, but you cannot deny this report. It's a very interesting article and a very interesting read. I would highly recommend you go check it out for yourself and take this information in, sit on it, think about it, and if you're still a skeptic regarding Epstein, I don't know how he possibly could be Things like this should begin to change your mind.

Joe:

I'm thinking it'd probably be the deep state. Huh, I said it.

Clip:

Yeah.

Joe:

It's probably the deep state, that's all involved with this shit, dude? Yeah, a lot of people that are higher ups, higher than the president, the ones that are making the bunkers under the earth, one of them being fucking Bill Gates. I'm thinking that that motherfucker is alive and he's under the fucking bunkers, the Epstein. Jeff Epstein, I think that fucker's on the bunker.

Thee Gooch:

I believe he's alive. I don't think he committed suicide. I don't think they killed him. He's alive. He's alive. Fuck, I was alive. I don't think he committed suicide.

Joe:

I don't think they killed him and he's alive he's alive.

Thee Gooch:

Um, fuck, I was gonna say something, yeah, so, yeah, so that's. That's the shit like, and there's a lot of smart. You know people out there do that know shit about computers and shit, and they can go through it. Yeah, they can go through it. Hackers, they're fucking geniuses, and me I can barely open my messages on my laptop. Right, yeah, same here. But there's a lot of geniuses out there and they know, you know, they know that you know something's up, so they're going to open up their shit, you know I would imagine.

Joe:

I mean, if Donald Trump was I mean to my I don't know if I have knowledge or shit like that, but I mean it's kind of common sense If Donald Trump was in it, they would have exposed him already. They would have exposed him.

Thee Gooch:

Exposed him. Yeah, yeah, they would have exposed him. They hate him. They hate his fucking guts yeah.

Joe:

That's what I don't get. That doesn't make sense. They don't like Donald Trump. He was really outspoken in his campaign. The Democrats would have been you know, we don't want a Republican to be in office, we want a Democrat. So they would have exposed Donald Trump for being the impstant list.

Thee Gooch:

Yeah.

Joe:

You know what I'm saying. So that's the thing that doesn't make sense. It doesn't add up something, something more that's more powerful. Maybe George Soros is involved in shit like that and maybe they got threatened. Maybe they got threatened. Barack Obama's involved in that shit, for sure or maybe they got threatened, their life is threatening and shit. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Thee Gooch:

Do you have a video clip to play while I go? Make a pee-pee, make a pee-pee.

Joe:

Mm-hmm, let me see. I forgot to put a diaper on, you forgot to put your pants on yes. Let me put something on Hold on.

Thee Gooch:

I'm going gonna make pee pee, unless you want to talk for like five minutes um cause you know, when you get, you get, you get old man, you just pee all day.

Joe:

Well, I'm gonna put the the new Superman trailer on right now. Hold on, let me put that on share screen. I'll be right back okay, here, guys, there's a new Superman trailer that's out now. Go watch it. I highly recommend it. Um three, it's a really good movie, you go.

Clip:

Are you being serious right now? Yeah, You'd let me interview you as Superman. Sure Ready.

Clip:

Let's do it, Cronkite.

Clip:

Superman, miss Lane.

Clip:

Recently you've come under a lot of fire for what some might, I don't know. It's a lot of fire, it's a lot.

Clip:

Today, the Secretary of Defense said he was going to look into your actions.

Clip:

That's funny.

Clip:

My actions. I stopped a war.

Clip:

Maybe, Not.

Clip:

Maybe I did. In effect, you illegally entered a country. This is how you're going to be. I'm not the one being interviewed. Superman, did you consult with the president? Entered a country. This is how you're gonna be. I'm not the one being interviewed. Superman, did you consult with the president? No, you seemingly acting as a representative of the United.

Clip:

States. I wasn't representing anybody except for me or problems around the world, and doing good.

Clip:

I would question myself in the same situation and consider the consequences. People were going to die.

Clip:

Superman, hey buddy.

Clip:

Eyes up here your choices, your actions. That's what makes you who you are super man.

Clip:

He's not a man, he's an it it somehow become the focal point of the entire world's conversation. I will not accept that.

Clip:

I cleaned your boots. I'll go get them for you you have a dog.

Clip:

Well, there you have it.

Thee Gooch:

And I forgot to mention that about.

Joe:

Luke, Just a little advice. If you guys have to go to a restroom and you've already seen the parts of the trailer that's the time to go to the restroom. You know what I'm saying you know what I'm talking about.

Thee Gooch:

Gooch, that's right, can you hear me? Yeah, I got you. And that's one thing I forgot to bring up about the Superman movie how Lois Lane pressed when he was interviewing Superman oh, dude, that shit fucking pissed how Lois Lane pressed when she was interviewing Superman. Oh, dude, that shit. Fucking pissed me off, dude, why? I don't know, she was just being too hard on him.

Joe:

Like what the fuck? I think that was good, because he's going through a relationship, you know, Like everybody else is going through a relationship and he's Superman. And he's.

Thee Gooch:

Superman, right, yeah, he could have grabbed her by the fucking throat and just threw her out of the window for talking to him.

Joe:

I don't imagine that would have been a bright burn because you know James Gunn directed that movie. I think Bright Burn it's the evil, superman.

Thee Gooch:

Have you seen it?

Joe:

No, it's the evil superman. Have you seen it? No well, he made a superman. It's like a superman, but he's evil oh, no shit yeah, bright burn well. Yeah, it's a pretty good movie. I like it.

Joe:

I recommend it to watch it so like whenever you guys go to a movie and you see a trailer you already see and you're watching a movie that's the right time to go, because that's what I did I go oh, I've seen this in the trailer already, so I'm just going to go to the restaurant and then I come back. You know what I'm saying? Took a piss, oh, that beer you were drinking. Oh, it's only two beers, but it doesn't fucking make you piss like a horse or a dog, horse, a horse.

Joe:

Because you're hungry like one yeah, so anything else about the Donald Trump?

Thee Gooch:

nah, we'll just see what happens. Yeah, we'll just see what happens. Something's up, we just gotta figure out what I think it has to do with the deep state gooch.

Joe:

yeah, the George Soros and all them, the hires up and all that stuff that I think they got their lives threatened and shit like that. Yeah, something's up. We'll have to wait and see. We'll just have to wait. We'll have to wait and see how the story unfolds, and shit like that.

Thee Gooch:

Other than that, that's all I got.

Joe:

That's all you got, gooch, I'm ready for dinner. So that means we're done. Then, mm-hmm, mm. No, so I think this is it, guys, I want to call it a day. It's really kind of hot in here. I'm sweating in here in this fucking house. Ooh, your butt cheeks too. Yeah, it's really really hot. All right, guys, all you listeners, listeners out there thank you for all your downloads. Thank you for viewing in um. In two weeks, I think we're hitting our third year anniversary. We're hitting our third year on July 27th 2025.

Joe:

Believe it or not, time goes fast when you're having fun, believe it or not. Almost almost goes fast when you're having fun, believe it or not. I was almost like you're after COVID, huh, yeah. So I was like bored. I didn't know what to do. So that's why I came up with this shit, because I've been wanting to do this since I was a kid. If you want to listen to me on first episode, the beginning, season two, I mean season one, the beginning season two, I mean season one, the beginning episode one, season one, season one, episode one you can listen to that how I explained I wanted to become a radio disc jockey and all that shit, but then every day I was a loser.

Thee Gooch:

And then we jumped on, huh.

Joe:

Yeah, then we jumped on, we had Remo and. Benny and myself. Well, we've been doing this since 91, remember we did the camcorder and all that shit.

Thee Gooch:

Yeah for sure.

Joe:

All right guys, All you listeners out there. Thank you very much, All your downloads out there. Thank you All of Europe that are listening and downloading Africa, China, South America, North America. Thank you very much for all your downloads and tuning in and listening and tuning in and listening, and Thee Gooch and I would really appreciate it. Guys, you could look us up and follow us at theetalkers. buzzsprout. com. Support our show $3 a month, Get a shout out. Also, you could listen to us at Amazon Music, iHeartRadio, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music and Pandora and YouTube Music. Everybody, Anything you got to say the last words, Gooch.

Thee Gooch:

Don't drink and drive. If you guys feel alone, please contact somebody, talk to someone, get it out of your mind, but also don't drink and drive.

Joe:

Do not drink and drive. Everybody Do not drink and drive, and that's all I can say is be safe out there, go see the movie, do not trust the social media, everybody. And all I can say is be careful, drive safe and don't drink and drive. This is Thee Talkers Podcast. Unscripted Bye on. Scripted bye hey now, hey, now, hey, now, yeah, baby, no-transcript.

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