Why We Judge Superhero Movies Before They're Released

Chapters

• 0:00 Podcast Introduction and Announcements
• 4:55 The New Superman Movie Controversy
• 8:53 Historical Superman Casting Criticisms
• 16:40 Director Fans vs. Character Fans
• 26:58 The Appeal of Superman and Merchandising
• 40:23 Trailer Breakdown and Final Thoughts
• 1:00:12 Episode Wrap Up and Call to Action

Transcript

Joe: 0:58

What's up? Everybody, what's up. What's up, what's up? This is Thee Talkers Podcast, Unscripted. How's everybody doing out there? My name is Joe. No gooch today, everybody. No gooch today. I'm sorry everybody, but I'm here. My name is Joe. How's everybody doing? In Los Angeles, California, it's about 67 degrees in the highs, very chill, very cool, not that hot. After I'm done with this show, I'm going to go wash my car Because it's kind of dirty. I haven't washed it for a while, so it's been laziness. I've been lazy coming out of work and all that stuff. You know what I'm saying, but yeah.

Joe: 1:52

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Joe: 4:17

So I want to see how it turns out. I mean, I cannot judge the movie just by the trailer. I can't say it sucks. I can't say it's going to be good, because we have to see it before we judge it. So I'm just going to give the benefit of the doubt. But I know James Gunn's going to nail it. Most of us Superman fans are rooting for James Gunn to nail it. I mean, in my perspective, I think it's gonna look. It looks pretty good. I mean the coloring and you know the way David Corswad plays the role of Superman.

Joe: 4:52

We got to watch it for us to judge it first, because there's a lot out there, a lot of trolls right there, just, you know, trolling it trolling the movie before it's even out, yet it hasn't even came out, and everybody's just judging it. They did the same thing with Zack Snyder. You know everybody was just judging it just because of the trailer came out and they were just talking crap about it. And even with man of steel, you know, and um, I was there. I mean, I was, I was alive to watch it to see how they were judging this on movie, uh, Zach Snyder's um BVS and the man of steel. Uh, especially when they were doing the casting calls on man of steel. You know what I'm saying same thing, it's all the same shit, same routine and all that shit. Just to you know, I mean it's the same thing. I mean it's all with Brandon Roth, with Superman Returns. You know, they're comparing it with Christopher Reeve, but the Superman 2, it came out in 2006,. Okay, so they were saying the same thing about Brandon Roth on Superman Returns.

Joe: 6:00

When they saw the trailer, it looked pretty good, right, and, uh, I mean, as me, as a superman fan, I, I don't care, I go, oh, it looks pretty good, you know it's superman, you know it's superman. But most of all, the trolls, uh, back in the day, I mean, they were saying that he was, uh, he looked like more like Superboy. Just the same thing they're saying about Davis course, with superman. Oh, it looks like super boy. This is, this is the same thing of uh for um superman returns or Brandon Routh. Okay, that he looks more like super boy and he doesn't look like, uh, like superman. Okay, um, technically, Brandon Routh was supposed to play the role of Christopher reeve and, um, I mean we're going to the same same phase again, okay.

Joe: 6:41

And then, um, superman returns didn't make it in the box office. I mean it may feel, but uh, it ain't, or it ain't past the budget, okay, I mean it just uh, it wasn't too well done. Okay, the script was really bad, but I'm not here to knock it down. I mean, I, I'm a huge Superman fan. I liked it. Okay, it's not the best one, you know, it's not a masterpiece, but it was good. You know, it was just a manticore movie, okay, and it's just that.

Joe: 7:17

My point is that we're going through the same shit repeating itself again. Every new Superman, it's trying to top everybody, like Brandon Roth oh, he's not Christopher Reeve, and all that stuff. And then Henry Cavil came oh, he's not Brandon Roth, and all that stuff. They were saying the same thing about Henry Cavil he was not going to make a great Superman. And this was before Even the movies started shooting and all that stuff. They were saying the same thing about Henry Cavil he was not going to make a great Superman, okay, and this was before even the movie started shooting. Okay, they were criticizing man of Steel, they were just knocking down the actor too. And the same thing is going with David Corenswet. Okay, they're still knocking him down because he's not Brandon. I mean, what's his name? He's not Henry Cavil. I mean, it's the same shit. We're just seeing it every day.

Joe: 8:02

There's always a complaint. You can never win. These are not really Superman fans. These are maybe fans of their favorite directors. Other people tend to like each director Like James Gunn's a great director. That doesn't make me I'm a James Gunn fan. It makes me a Superman fan, but not a James Gunn fan because he's a director for Superman. There's some fans of directors like Zack Snyder. He has fans, okay, because they like the way he visuals and how he directs the movie and because he has these visuals he has when he directs. Okay, am I making myself even clearer? You know, I mean I'm just saying I mean we've seen the same thing again and they even said the same thing about BvS, that ben Affleck was not a great batman.

Joe: 9:03

Bruce Wayne, which I always thought he was on, and when I, when I was reading the all the internet stuff and the media and the social social network, they were just knocking on ben Affleck because you know ben Affleck, in some roles he's always like crying. You know, ben Affleck, in some roles he's always like crying. You know, like Armageddon he will cry. I think in Daredevil too he will like kind of like little sentimental little parts. I mean that tends to be a good actor. When you cry something like that and it's believable, that's a great actor.

Joe: 9:34

Okay, not even a great actor, a best actor. Because you know what? I cannot make myself cry. I don't know if you guys can over there. If you're a great actor, if you could cry automatically at will, then you're a great actor. But if you can't, you're not the great actor.

Joe: 9:51

Because Ben Affleck, on some of his movies he tends to be emotional. He could cry at will, okay, and it tends to be a best actor, okay. And um, and he, he won a best um, what is it a oscar for the? He directed him in. Um, what's his name? Oh, my gosh, I forgot his friend. Well, what's his name? Um, matt damien, okay, him and Ben Affleck written that movie. What's it called? Good Way Hunting? He wrote the movie and directed it, or maybe I'm wrong.

Joe: 10:31

Maybe they written the movie and they got a Best Actor Award, okay, or they won an award for it for an Oscar, okay, and they were just knocking down Ben Affleck as being Batman, Bruce Wayne, you know. And then there were criticisms in the movie of BVS. When they saw the trailer, okay, and they were saying that Doomsday, when they first saw Doomsday in the trailer, he looked like a Ninja Turtle, just knocking it down like that. Okay, they were saying that Snyder day , when they saw, when they first saw Doomsday in the trailer, he looked like a Ninja Turtle. They're just knocking it down like that, okay, they're saying that Zack Snyder's not a great director. They're saying that, oh man, this movie's going to be bad. You know, and most of these, the ones that were knocking them down, these are the ones that saw the movie and said, oh shit, it's fucking great, it's good. And then when they saw the movie, they were just knocking it down. Oh, Martha, this Martha that you know, things like that, you know. And when they saw the trailer, they were just knocking it down. Okay, the same thing.

Joe: 11:34

They're going with David Corset, with James Gunn's new Superman movie, same shit. And then, you know, it's kind of like, the more they hate the movie, the more they're going to get tired. They're going to say, oh, I give up. I'm going to go watch it. That's what they're going to do, because they did the same thing with BVS and man of Steel. And don't get me wrong, I mean I like the movie man of Steel and BVS. I mean I like the movie man of Steel and BVS, but I'm not a fan of the director. You know, I'm a huge Superman fan and a Batman fan and that's why I tend to watch it and go see it.

Joe: 12:12

You know, and the ones that are knocking James Gunn's movie, the new Superman movie, they're knocking it. Oh, I'm not going to go watch it Because they're not Superman fans, you know. They're not going to watch it because they're not. They're. It's not Zack Snyder just because they're director-wise. Every person has their favorite directors. Okay, like me, my favorite director is Mel Gibson. Okay, and if someone would take over the new movie movie he's coming out, he's going to direct the Passion of Christ, the Resurrection, the new one, the sequel. If Mel Gibson won't direct it, I'm not going to watch it Same shit, because I'm a huge Mel Gibson fan.

Joe: 12:57

Okay, but I'm still going to watch it. You know, let's see how it looks, because curiosity kills the cat. You know, same shit. You know, excuse my language. These guys are just all these trolls that are knocking down James Gunn's new Superman movie. Everyone in the social media networks, like Facebook and all that, and Instagram, they're all just talking crap. It looks shitty. It looks like diaper man and which is not even a diaper. You can't even tell the difference between trunks and a diaper. Come on, that's trunks, not diapers. Okay, I'm telling you, I don't know, and you know what I did All these laughing emojis when they're talking crap about the Superman movie, the new one that's coming out.

Joe: 13:53

I mean I'm not talking crap. I mean we're saying like, oh, I can't wait to see this movie. They put laughing emojis Like Is that supposed to hurt? You know you could laugh all you want. You could put all these laughing emojis all you want. It's because you're hurting from the inside. We're not hurting because you're laughing at us. You're hurting because you know you're just hiding your feelings. You know, and you haven't even seen the movie yet and you're just judging it. I mean, it looks pretty good. But I don't say it's not going to be a great movie. We don't know yet. I think the flying things look pretty good. It looked better than man of Steel. Let me tell you one thing it looks better than man of Steel, I think, in every Superman movie. You know, I mean no one hasn't seen this movie yet and everybody's just talking crap. You know, I mean no one hasn't seen this movie yet and everybody's just talking crap. You know what I'm saying. I mean, I think we all have to watch the movie first. It doesn't have nothing to do with being a who's the director of the movie. You know, sure, James Gunn has a record history of great movies. But I'm not going by because he's directing. I'm going there because I'm a Superman fan. You know what I'm saying and that's what I'm doing. I think all of us Superman fans are going there to go watch the movie, because it's just to watch the new Superman movie, because I'm really excited to see the movie, because the costume is great.

Joe: 15:17

I mean I wasn't a big fan of the costume, the emblem. I the costume's great. I mean, I wasn't a big fan of the costume, the emblem. I wasn't a big fan of the emblem at first, but it started growing on me. Okay, it started growing on me. Oh, you know what it's working. The suit is there. It's bright. You know the muscles are not shiny. You know the muscles are not shiny. You know, that's the one thing. What the costume doesn't have In the movie you could see some of the parts of the trailer that he looks like.

Joe: 15:50

You could see his muscles and everybody's saying, yeah, cgi, yeah it is. I mean, who's going to wear a tight costume in a hot day? You know, because I hear a lot of actors want to complain. Who's going to wear a tight costume in a hot day? You know, because I hear a lot of actors when they complain how tight these suits are and it's really unbearable wearing a costume when they have to use the restroom. You know they have to use the restroom, pee-pee or take a crap. You know what I'm saying. I mean, I don't know. I think everybody just has to open their minds to wait to watch the movie first. You know what I'm saying.

Joe: 16:27

Open your mind.

Joe: 16:31

Open your mind, right? I think everybody has to open their mind first, watch the fucking movie first, and then you voice your opinion on about it, because everybody's just judging oh, it's a lot going on, well, yeah, but it's a fucking trailer. It's bit by bit, it's strip by strip by strip. You know, it's just giving you the idea. You know there's going to be action, there's going to be some parts going to be a little love, romantic and all that stuff. You know, we just got to wait and see.

Joe: 17:06

And a lot of trolls are just trying to damage you because they're all butthurt because Zack Snyder's not directing it, you know. And then everybody's all oh, why does it have to be Zack Snyder's cult list? But you're the ones that started the fucking whole shit. Restored Zack Snyder's, blah, blah, blah, restore it, restore it. And then when we comment that we love them, we want to see James Gunn, we can't wait.

Joe: 17:34

You guys are the first ones to fucking make an opinion. All you guys are the ones that are saying it's diaper man and all that shit. You can't even tell the difference between a diaper and trunks. That's what shows how intelligent you are. I'm not intelligent myself, but it's common sense that you compare trunks to a diaper, I think a diaper is. Know. You compare trunks to a diaper, you know I think a diaper is more puffy than trunks. You know, I don't see that his trunks are like puffy, like you know, like a real diaper. You know? And they're saying the same thing about Superman Returns, about Brandon Roth, because they're saying that David Cole's sweat looks like Superboy. What a joke. It's the same thing as Brandon Roth, the same thing that he looks like Superboy. It's just an excuse. You guys, all you trolls, are just mouthing off. You know. You're just trying to, you know, make us all Superman fans pissed off. You know?

Joe: 18:43

And I check all your profiles. You know what I'm saying. I go, and the ones that are laughing, I check their profiles. None of them have no interest in comic books. Most of them are Spawn Image comic books. Most of them are Marvel. Most of them are Zach Snyder, they love 300. They love Sucker Punch and all that stuff. What's the other one? Sailor Moon, whatever the fuck it's called? And most of them don't even have no interest in comics, not even one Superman picture and one of those laughing emojis. And you know what I'm right. And some of you out there that are bashing this movie have kids. Okay, they have kids and I'm pretty sure one of their kids, or son or little boy, whoever a girl, I'm pretty sure they're going to ask Daddy, can you? You know they're going to ask pretty soon, you know.

Clip: 19:43

Daddy,

Joe: 19:43

can

Joe: 19:44

you take me to watch Superman?

Joe: 19:46

No, son, I don't want to go watch Superman.

Joe: 19:49

Come on, Daddy, I want to see Superman the movie, the new one.

Joe: 19:53

No, I don't like that movie, son, because it's directed by James Gunn.

Clip: 19:56

Why, dad, please? I want to go see it. No, I said no, I want to see the Superman movie.

Joe: 20:09

Okay, okay, okay, son, okay, I'll go with you, okay, me. Well, I'll take you to go see Superman.

Joe: 20:15

Thank you, daddy, thank you very much, love you. Thank you, daddy, thank you very much Love you, thank you daddy.

Joe: 20:25

Okay, I'll take you tomorrow. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure their kids are going to fucking cry about to see this movie. Beg their parents to go watch this movie. You know why? Because they want to see Superdog on Krypto. You know what I'm saying. I'm pretty sure.

Joe: 20:42

Nice.

Joe: 20:44

And I know for a fact all of them that are bashing the movie they're going to all go to see it and, like Amazon just announced, they're going to have this first screening on Amazon Prime and I think you got to apply for it by July 7th or something like that Somewhere around there. And the ones that are talking crap non-fans of Superman are the first ones that are going to go apply for it. You know what I'm saying and I know for a fact. They are because they did the same thing with BVS and man of Steel. Everybody was just talking crap about fucking Zach Snyder on the BVS the Martha Martha scene. They were just making fun of it and if they were really Zack Snyder fans, they would have made this movie a fucking billion at the box office. I mean, I think it only made like $800 million in the box office. I mean just domestic. I mean it didn't make that much. It was there. I mean it was even with the budgets that they made the movie. You know? I mean don't get me wrong I love the movie. You know. I mean, if it's Superman, it's Superman okay, but most of these fans are trolling. It's just talking crap, talking shit, everything.

Joe: 22:15

They have to nitpick the way they I mean they're making fun of the new Superman movie with the trailer. They're freeze phrasing the stills of the movie, the trailer, the way he looks. They make these, you know, in every picture and it goes for everybody who takes a picture. You know. I even hate when they take a picture and they give me in a still shot or a stop shot, you know, and it's all still. You pause it and you make this funny face. You look weird. It happens to every fucking actor, you know, or anyone who does a still shot. I go oh man, I come out. Fucking. I look like fucking Sloth from fucking Goonies, you know.

Joe: 23:03

Hey you guys.

Joe: 23:05

You know that's stupid. All this is all fucking bullshit. Just, I mean, all these trolls are just fucking bashing it Because they're all hurt, because some of them are Zack Snyder fans, director fans. Okay, to me I think they're like um, fans of um making films, like they go to school and all that stuff and they're like oh, you know, Zach Snyder is my best director, you know they're probably going to film school or something like that. Oh, James know, Zack Snyder's my best director. You know they're probably going to film school or something like that. Oh, James Gunn has a lot of color, it's a lot of it looks childish and all that stuff.

Joe: 23:49

Well, superman's supposed to be like that. You know, yes, superman, back then, when he first in 1938, his first comic, the first appearance of Superman, yes, it was dark at the beginning, he was already brutal, but it was getting out of control. So they stopped it. So they had, you know what, superman's getting too dark in the comics, so they had to change it. That's why some of his comics are kind of ridiculous. You know, I think it stopped in 1946, around there After World War II. You know, yeah, and yeah, I mean, his first issues were kind of dark but they changed it up, you know. I mean, like on the man of Steel, he used violence, there was a lot of collateral damage. Yeah, that was pretty good. I liked it, I enjoyed it. You know, that's the way Superman was supposed to be. It's just like the animated movies, I mean the cartoons. You know, that's the way Superman was supposed to be. It's just like the animated movies. I mean the cartoons. You know what I'm saying. They're all damaging buildings and all that stuff, all collateral damage. They were complaining about that too. I go wait a minute, it's just like the animated cartoon, you know. And they're complaining.

Joe: 25:04

When Superman, superman, kills Zod, you know, I mean he killed in in comics too. He killed in on superman too. I mean he didn't like twist his neck or anything but um, he just uh, threw him out and they fall in the fortress of solitude. The fortress of solitude, and typically, you know what was I going to say? That word Technically? There it goes.

Joe: 25:39

Technically in Superman 1 and 2 of the movie, superman the movie and superman two, the director's cut from Richard Donner. His original storyline was um, when superman two, when, um, okay, when superman one, he throws a rocket on the space right and then he continues to superman 2 and then he throws a rocket in superman 2. It destroys the. The phantom zone was Zod and non and Ursula was in. That was superman 2. That was the, the real plot on that one. And um, then that's when Lois lane figured about Clark Kent's identity as being Superman. So Superman too. He reversed the Earth so he could erase Lois Lane's memory for thinking Superman is Clark Kent or Clark Kent is Superman. That was the storyline Basically. It was Technically that was the storyline. But the Salkind's had fired Richard Donner so they had to went to Richard Lester to direct the movie superman. So this is why it's all mixed up in confusion.

Joe: 26:51

On superman the movie, you know, and um, but I mean, it's the same shit. We're just hearing the same shit, criticizing the actor, criticizing the, the way the movie is. We haven't even seen Superman the movie with James Gunn. I believe it's going to, I think James Gunn's going to nail it, even though I haven't seen it. But it's just speculation I'm doing.

Joe: 27:18

You know, anybody could have their opinion, you know. But there are some people that like to give opinions but then they cannot take their opinions. If I make an opinion and then when someone throws it back at me and then I get mad. That's kind of stupid, isn't it again? Then I shouldn't, I should not make an opinion, opinions. If someone's gonna have a known opinion too, you know, someone cannot dish it out. Some of you out there cannot dish it out. I mean, that's what I. I think.

Joe: 27:50

You know, everybody just likes to talk crap about the trailers, judging the trailer they haven't even seen yet. I mean the movie hasn't been out. They just judged the trailer. I said it wrong. They just judged the trailer thinking that the movie's going to suck. And I say I judged the movie, I mean the trailer, and I say I think it's going to be good. Yes, I'm genuinely, but I haven't even seen it yet. I say I think, hence the word I think. Do you think? Yes, I do. Do you think, yes, I do. But it's not because I think I'm just saying, it's common sense. You know what I'm saying. Like you know, we just got to wait and see. You know, some people out there, they just get mad, they're just hurt because their favorite directors are not directing it.

Joe: 28:48

There's between comic fans and the director fan. Okay, I'm a comic book fan, not a movie fan. A comic book fan, a cartoon fan, like Superman, I like Popeye, I like Mickey Mouse. I'm a huge fan of Mickey Mouse Always have since I was five years old and Superman as well, and also Popeye, and you know it. Just, I mean, if they make a movie of Popeye, I'm going to, I'm going to the way I'm hearing they're going to make Popeye. It's like it's it's going to be stupid. Okay, they should make it the way he should be, like I just watched a movie on Amazon. It's so ridiculous. I mean, I, you know, I just want to check it out and watch it. The Popeye Slayer man. You know, it was kind of cheesy. It could have been good and great, but it was kind of cheesy. But I still watched it because I'm a huge fan of Popeye.

Joe: 29:53

You know, you see what I'm getting through, you see where I'm getting at. You see where I'm getting at my point. It doesn't matter who's directing it. If I'm a huge Popeye fan, I'm going to watch Popeye the Slayer man. Okay, that's what I'm trying to get at.

Joe: 30:11

That's what I'm trying to get at everybody, and maybe the ones that are laughing about, like the emojis, they're probably just fans or just fucking, just trolling. They're just trying to sit us in the rage or something. They're just trying to sit us in the rage or something. They're just trying to piss us off or something like that. You know, I mean that's what I'm thinking, you know, just to piss everybody off. Like me, I'm a huge. I mean I'm a Superman fan, right, and I mean I like Batman versus Superman and man of Steel. And everybody's getting at um the Zack Snyder fans in the social media and I'm laughing at them too. You know, even though I like the movies too, Zach Snyder and and um man of Steel and BVS. But I'm laughing when they're. When the people are against the Zack Snyder fans too, I'm laughing at them too. I'm laughing at the Zack Snyder fans Even though I like the movie Zack Snyder, like the BVS and man of Steel, because I don't have no favorite director.

Joe: 31:18

I just watch the movie because I'm into Superman and Batman. Okay, I'm laughing at them too. I'm putting my emojis I think that's what they're doing Just to piss us off. You know, maybe the people that are laughing at the David Corset Superman, they're probably fans of Superman. They're just, you know, just trying to piss us off, us Superman fans. You know, I'm a Superman fan, but I'm doing the same thing. I'm putting laughing emojis and laughing at the Zack Snyder fans, but I do like the movies. You see what I'm saying. I do like the movies of Batman versus Superman and man of Steel, but it's not because I'm a fan of the director. I'm a fan of the director. I'm a fan of the character Big difference, superman.

Joe: 32:10

Even though the Flash was good, I'm a huge fan of the Flash, but I still watch it, even though it wasn't good. It could have been better. I guarantee you, if it would have made it to the, guarantee you, if it would have made it to the Flash Paradox, it would have made a billion dollars. You know what I'm saying. But even though I didn't agree with the movie, I still watch it because I'm a huge Flash fan. Okay, that's the only difference.

Joe: 32:43

And, like I'm saying, all these people that are doing the laughing emojis and all that stuff, they're just trolling, they're just talking their. I even said you guys are just talking a lot of crap. You guys are going to watch it out of curiosity. You guys have kids. If you guys have kids, you guys are going to take them to watch Superman. Believe me, we're seeing the same shit all over again. It's the same thing. This shit was starting, this shit was in since. This shit was since Superman, the movie, since 1978.

Joe: 33:16

They were going to get Clint Eastwood, the original actor, to play Superman, was going to be Clint Eastwood in 1978, but he turned it down. But luckily that Christopher Reeve auditioned. He was the right person to play the part. There was a lot of ton of actors who were going to play Superman, like Sylvester Stallone as well, and and where everybody was oh, he's not going to play, even with Michael Keaton, everybody. Just, we didn't even have no to pay the rent. Even with Michael Keaton, everybody. Just, we didn't even have no internet back then.

Joe: 33:46

This was on newspaper. Oh, he's not going to make a, he's not going to be the right choice of Batman, bruce Wayne. Oh, he's short, he's 5'9". Batman and Bruce Wayne, supposed to be like 6'2 or 6'3". You know. Same shit.

Joe: 34:04

And then what? And then the end of the day, what are they going to do? They're going to fucking Worship this movie, the James Gunn movie, superman, I guarantee you. And then Everybody's going to hear A word of mouth oh, it's a fucking Badass movie. Oh man, I misjudged the trailer. The trailer fooled us. That's the whole main point Of the trailer To fool us. And I know James Gunn the traitor fooled us. That's the whole main point of the trailer to fool us.

Joe: 34:29

And I know James Gunn is trolling us, or trolling the trolls, because if you troll a troll, the troll is going to troll you, because there's a big difference of a troll. There's a small troll, there's a bigger troll and James Gunn is the bigger troll. That's the difference about a troll. Look it up. There's two different kinds of trolls and, like I say again, this has been going on since years, years. Do it, you know, and it's ridiculous. And the funny do it, you know, and it's ridiculous. And the funny part is that if all of you guys out there look at their laughing emojis, like I said earlier, none of them had no fucking clue about DC, no interest of DC comics or not even a fan of Superman, but they're fans of directors like Zack Snyder. Some of them are into the Image Comics or some of them are anime like Dragon Ball Z, which the creator got the influence from Superman. Okay, he said it himself. Okay, he said it himself and um and that's.

Joe: 35:50

It's been going on, it's been going on and you know, I think someone has to say just fucking say it. I mean it's ridiculous. I mean you guys are just fucking talking crap and you don't even know how the movie's gonna to turn out to. From what I know, James Gunn knows how to tell a story. Okay, makes movies with a story on it, like Guardians of the Galaxy. No one didn't know nothing about Guardians of the Galaxy. No one didn't knew about there was a comic called Guardians of the Galaxy. Maybe some hardcore Marvel comic fans that read comic books literally read comic books. They knew about this. But some of you that are into the Guardians in the Galaxy end up knowing now since the movie came out. Oh, it's a badass movie. Oh, made, James Gunn nailed it. Oh, rocket Raccoon looks fucking cool Star lord was awesome Star lord was awesome in the movie Because James Gunn's known as no one doesn't know the characters and he brings them up to live in a theater and they get popular.

Joe: 37:03

Okay, that's what James Gunn does. In other words, he gets underrated characters and he makes them popular. Okay, most of you trolls don't know that, or the ones that don't read comics, and the funny part is some of these trolls are not. I know some of these trolls are probably like Superman fans, some of them are just director fans and some of them don't even know nothing about Superman and they're just talking crap about, oh why Superman has no, why he's getting pain when he has no powers, when the sun is hitting him. I go, you obviously haven't read a Superman comic book. You haven't know his story, his origin, how he gets power from the sun. You know, you got to think about it, superman, when he goes all out on fighting but he doesn't hold back, just like on Doomsday. He went all out on Doomsday. He drained all his powers until he died, or Kryptonian coma. Technically, he didn't die, he just was in a coma. He died. Maybe he was just in a coma. Everybody thought he died, but it's because Superman drained all this power and he was on the earth and the Sun was still there, okay, and it takes a while for him to energize up. It doesn't just happen right away. It's an. It's in the comic book. That's why he wears the black suit. Okay, he wears the black suit to restore his energy from the sun. It's like when you wear a black shirt on a hot day. What do they tell you? Do not wear black, because the sun attracts the black. It heats up more. That's the same thing with the Superman black suit. Okay, it attracts the sun more, it's.

Joe: 39:18

I mean, some of you out there, some of you out there don't really understand the Superman mythology, you know. Or people bitching about crypto oh, it looks childish. Well, I think that's a smart move, don't you think? To make more money in the box office. That's a good move. That's good marketing.

Joe: 39:38

And I think the toys look better than Superman Returns and Superman and man of Steel. I was looking at the toys, the action figures. They look fucking awesome. I'm done buying toys, by the way. You know I have a lot of Superman toys. It's just like wire, I mean. I know they're fun to collect and hang them around in my room and all that stuff, but I don't got no place to put them, no more. You know what I'm saying. I'm 52 years old. I think I should quit now, stop playing with toys. Well, now, playing with them. I just have them as a collection, but I would love to buy them. But I think they look better than the Superman Return toys.

Joe: 40:22

I don't know if you've seen the Superman Returns. You know there are Superman return toys. I don't know if you've seen the Superman returns, you know. No, no offense to Brandon Roth, but I mean those actually I bought. I bought it, don't get me wrong. I bought the Superman returns with Brandon Roth. I mean it looked kind of cheesy, you know what I'm saying. It looked kind of weird, you know.

Joe: 40:40

But now I look at the day we're coarsely Superman, the new one that's coming out, it looks better, you know it's. I mean, it's more. It looks more articulate. Articulate. I mean, excuse me, it looks more articulate. I don't know if I'm pronouncing the word right, but because that's that's the main thing what I do when I buy a fucking toy, I I got to see how articulate it looks. Okay, I'll have to look for the detail. Is it right, is it missing paint, is it off or anything? That's what I look at. If I see a little fucking paint miscolored on the skin or something like that, I won't buy it. But if I see it like perfectly sculpted and perfectly painted, I'll buy it, you know. But the new toys that are coming out, the new Superman movie, it looks pretty good. It looks better than you know, than ever. You know it makes me want to buy it, but I think I give up buying toys already I do. I mean, you know, it's just $14 for an action figure. God damn, that's too much, you know, and it's what it is.

Joe: 41:59

I want to show you something because back in the day, you know, has anybody seen these new Superman commercials? Back in the day we used to have these Superman toys, you know, or in the commercials we, you know, back in the day, we have toys that come out in commercials and all that stuff. You know what I'm saying. I mean, this is what I first saw on TV, that they put a commercial of toys of superman. I mean, this reminds me like back in the day, you know, when we were kids. First off, I saw. First of all, when I saw this commercial of the new superman toys. They announced this on the commercial I go, man, this looks like uh nostalgia, like back in the 80s when we used to be kids eating our cereal. We'll watch before we're going to school. They had these commercials of toys coming out. They brought that back. Take a look, watch. It brings me back when I was a child, like I was a kid. It brings me back. It makes me want to eat cereal already. I want to watch this commercial. Check it out.

Clip: 43:07

Watch out A giant like. It makes me want to eat cereal already when I watch this commercial. Check it out. Watch out, a giant kaiju monster is destroying the city. This looks like a job for superman. He flies in with a powerful punch, ew, slime explosion. The kaiju is reloading for a bigger battle. Call in the justice gang, get him. Green lantern. Mr terrific teams up. Hawk girl soars in to help superman save the day. Boom.

Joe: 43:29

See what I mean. It brings back, like it brings back when I was a kid okay.

Joe: 43:45

When I was watching it the other day, it wanted me to bring me some cereal and enjoy the commercial, because it reminds me of back in the day, and I don't know, maybe it's midlife crisis, I don't know, but it sure brought me back in the 80s. That was cool to watch, wasn't it? And those toys look really awesome. You should see the McFlurrin toys too Awesome. And I went to Walmart yesterday to go look for those toys. Don't get me wrong. I don't want to buy them, but it's kind of addicting. If you guys are collectors, you know it's kind of addicting to buy toys. And I don't want to buy toys. And especially, I'm looking for that the one with Crypto. And I'm pretty sure Crypto is going to make a good splash in this fucking movie. You know he's going to be the main attraction of this movie, I guarantee you. You know what I'm saying. And, um, I just can't wait To see it. I mean, I don't want to. I don't want to judge the movie yet Until I watch it, and all of you guys Should do the same, everyone should do the same Just wait and watch it and then Start doing Making your own opinions After, after watching the movie. I mean, that's all I can say. You know, I mean that's the best thing you could do. I mean you just are. You guys are just laughing. Most of you are not even fans. That's the best thing you could do, I mean, you guys are just laughing. Most of you are not even fans, most of you are. Some are just trolling. You know, I'm doing it too, but just to piss them off, you know. But, like I said, I'm not a huge fan of the directors. I'm not a fan of the director, I'm just a fan of the characters. It doesn't matter who directs it. As long as it does a good storyline, I'm good with it. That's all that counts. But the only thing that Zack Snyder messed up on is the BVS. The BVS is good. Okay, we have the extended version. Okay, it was good, but it didn't make any difference. You know, everybody said, oh, it filled up the plot holes. It didn't make any difference. It didn't make any difference, it was the same shit. Only they added when Clark was investigating the Batman and all the stuff. I mean, it didn't really make any difference on the extended version of the BVS. But don't get me wrong, the movie is good, not a masterpiece. It was good. It was Meta core movie too. Like I said, I'm just a fan of the character Superman, not the fans of the directors, I don't care, as long as it's a good storyline, that's all that matters.

Joe: 46:52

The only thing that bothered me about Superman's suit on Zack Snyder the suit had muscles. I mean it had muscles but it was shiny. It looked like it was wet and I'm pretty sure all the people are saying the same thing. I mean it should be like Christopher Reeve kind of suit and costume, right, and they're all talking crap about David Kors with costume. Oh, it looks like a cosplay. It looks better than a cosplay and all that stuff. Dude, get real with that, you know.

Joe: 47:29

And from the story, I mean rumor has it, rumor has it that he's going to upgrade his suit at the end of the movie. Who knows, we don't even know. It's just a word of mouth again. But I guarantee you guys out there You're trolling, or I'm talking about Talking to the ones that are Un-Superman fans you guys are going to watch it and you will be curious and you'll be the first one in the first screening, because you guys are too cheap to probably go to the theater, or maybe you guys don't have no date to go watch the movie, because right after when I come out of work I'm going to watch that fucking movie. I'll go on matinee if I have to, or I'll watch it again and again Two times, maybe five times, because you know why? I'm a huge Superman fan, damn it. I'm a huge Superman fan and I even watched Superman 4, the Quest for Peace how about that? And Christopher Reeve disagreed with that movie. He didn't like it. He said that movie was trash Not in his words, but he didn't like it. He said it was a terrible script and he's the one that directed it. And he said himself it was awful. I mean, I'm a huge Superman fan. I still watch Superman 4.

Joe: 49:01

In Smallville, I watch it only to the. I stopped watching Smallville when Lois Lane came on the scene Too early, when he was young Clark, because that's not the way the story goes. Too early when he was young Clark, because that's not the way the story goes. I mean, when I first watched Smallville I was all hyped up about it, but when Lois Lane came in the scene when he was already Clark Kent, he was young. That's when they messed up. But I just hope they make a Superman like a mythology in the series, like how he went through, what he's been through and all that stuff, not like, start getting all exaggerated after that you know what I'm saying. And then the Flash too as well.

Joe: 49:50

When it started getting to the romantic doing these drama scenes, that's when they start killing it. And um, it could have been good, the series could have been better, way better. But um, from there on it's it like it completely went dead Right and um, like I said again, man, I'm just going to give it a shot. I got the trailer of Superman with James Gunn's new movie and I'm going to put it on right now. I know I'm a little late, but it took me time to do my own podcast by myself, with no gooch. You know what I'm saying, yeah, I know, but um, I'm here and um, I'm trying to see what I can make up and it took me a while.

Joe: 50:42

But and then I'm plus, I get out of work all exhausted, mentally exhausted too, and now I'm well rested you know, and it's just the way it goes we work, we work and all that stuff, and sometimes I don't have time to do it. Sometimes I do, sometimes I get tired, mentally tired, exhausted, and I just want to rest, you know. But here's the new trailer of the Superman with James Gun Gunn. Oh, I just, I mean, I like it, I like the suit. Now it grew on me the emblem. I bought a new shirt. I got it at Walmart. They're selling them at Walmart now. Um, I have two of them. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna sport it when I go see the movie you know, so I'm gonna wear it.

Joe: 51:33

All I need is to buy the Superman hat and I need to buy me the Superman mug coffee mug, and that's what I'm going to buy. And I got the old, classic Superman coffee mug right here. See how it goes. Bought this one in Las Vegas. No, somewhere in Las Vegas. But yeah, here's the new Superman trailer. Enjoy these.

Clip: 52:00

Do have some, are you being serious right now? They just have the one end, you'd let me interview you as Superman. Sure Ready, let's do it. Cronkite Superman, Miss Lane, recently you've come under a lot of fire for what some might.

Joe: 52:26

I know it's a lot of fire. It's a lot it looks good.

Clip: 52:30

Today, the Secretary of Defense said he was going to look into your actions. That's funny.

Clip: 52:36

My actions.

Clip: 52:37

I stopped a war, maybe Not maybe.

Clip: 52:42

I did.

Clip: 52:43

In effect, you illegally entered a country. This is how you're going to be. I'm not the one being interviewed. Superman, did you consult with the president? No, you seemingly acting as a representative of the United States.

Clip: 52:57

I wasn't representing anybody except for me and doing good.

Clip: 53:04

I would question myself in the same situation and consider the consequences. People were going to die.

Clip: 53:14

Superman, we're going to die.

Clip: 53:18

I like that song, that part right there, hey, buddy, eyes up here. Your choices, your choices, your actions, that's what makes you who you are, who you are. Superman, he's not a man.

Clip: 54:05

He's an it. He's somehow become the focal point of the entire world's conversation. I will not accept that.

Clip: 54:18

I cleaned your boots. I'll go get them for you. You have a dog.

Joe: 54:53

Awesome man Like it, love it. Awesome man like it, I love it. I mean, everybody, go watch it. Go see it. July 11, 2025, everybody, the new Superman movie by James Gunn. I mean, I don't know, it looks good, you know, but I just got to watch it to form an opinion. You know what I'm saying and that's all I can say. I mean I like the costume. It's really bright, the way it's supposed to be, you know, not too shiny like the previous Superman, you know. I mean mean, don't get me wrong, Henry Cavil was good, but it's time to move on. You know it's time to move on. Everybody. And I have a nephew. He's a huge superman and Spider-Man fan and he's really excited to see this movie. You know what I'm saying.

Joe: 55:54

It's not for all adults out there. There's a lot of children that they love superman. I was five years old when I watched superman, you know, in 1978, you know. You know, got to keep you, got to keep this in mind. You know there's toys for um, for kids, there, but men are buying the toys and it's supposed to be for children. You know what I'm saying. That's the funny part. That's the funny part. And most of you out there in the social media, and Instagram and Facebook are being like children you know, and not even children act like that.

Joe: 56:29

Oh, fucking James Gunn. You know, James Gunn?

Joe: 56:33

James Gunn, he's a potato. Oh, freaking James Gunn. You know, James Gunn, James Gunn, he's a. He's a. Oh, Zach Snyder, this and that you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Joe: 56:46

Zack Snyder, this Zack Snyder, that James Gunn, this James Gunn, that Not even the children are acting like that. You know what I'm saying. That's what. That's what makes me laugh the jokes on you. You know, not even children act like that. They want to see the movie. I want to see the movie and I'm acting like a child. You know, and I'm 52 years old, believe it or not. I mean, you got to stop the nonsense. You know what I'm saying. You got to stop the nonsense. You know what I'm saying. We got to stop the nonsense and just watch the movie, see how it is, see how it's played. What's the story? We don't know the story yet.

Joe: 57:25

Most of you out there are just judging it. I mean, you guys are criticizing. And then Supergirl is coming out next year maybe they just finished wrapping it up just last week. Supergirl with Milly Alcock. You know, I don't know Alcock, or something like that. I don't know if I spelled it, I mean, if I'm pronouncing it right and everybody's all making fun of her, the way her expressions look, and, you know, comparing her for some actor. I forgot the actor's name. I didn't mention the name, though, but wait till she gets all dolled up as Supergirl, it's going to be a big difference. Everybody's going to say, oh fuck, she's fucking gorgeous, you know, I mean, it's not the way the person looks, or in the costume, it's the character you're supposed to be into. You know what I'm saying. And it's ridiculous, man, it's funny. All these trolls just criticizing they haven't even seen the movie yet.

Joe: 58:30

Diaper man, I mean not even a diaper, it's more trunks, shorts. You know, you know, it's ridiculous. It's just like. I think they don't want shorts. I tell them in the comic section. I tell them, like well, maybe you want to see his big bulge, don't you want? You know you want to see his big bulge, don't you want? You know you want to see his bulge because he's he's, he's hiding his bulge on his shorts, you know, and they get all mad, you know, they get all pissed off and, um, that's like can compare trunks and the diaper? Oh good, real genius, how can you, you know, put a difference between the diaper and the shorts? You know, wow, you're smart, common sense, use your common sense. It's just the way it is. I mean, I want all of you out there To check on the comment section, like the people that are laughing, and go to the comment section when all the trolls are laughing, all the laughing emojis.

Joe: 59:58

Take your time and go into the profiles. Most of them are private, probably bots. Most of them are just Image comic fans. Most of them are just Marvel fans or anime fans Like Dragon Ball are just Marvel fans or anime fans like Dragon Ball Z and all that Blah, blah, blah. You know, just take the time to do the research on that, because I did. And they're not even fucking Superman fans Most of them, and most of them are just directors of fans of the directors. But, oh, wow, I think I'm done. You know I'm done.

Joe: 1:00:49

Well, I hope I made sense of this, this episode of Superman. Go see it July 11, 2025. Well, I hope I made sense of this episode Superman. Go see it July 11, 2025. It doesn't matter who's the director, it's just the character that counts, because I'm a huge Superman fan and I'm there, I'm going to watch it and I'm going to support the movie. Good or bad, I'm still going to watch it. If you guys could deal with Superman 4. You guys could deal with Superman 4, you guys could. You guys could deal with this new movie that's coming out, okay, or Superman 3, you know, if you could deal with Superman 3 and 4, you could deal with this movie. Well, guys, I'm done. Go watch the movie. July 11th it's just around the corner. Two more months to go, with David Cora, the new Superman. Can't wait to watch it.

Joe: 1:01:45

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